BMW 2005 320i E90
These cars are and absolute pleasure to drive, magnificent but don't purchase one, they are a nightmare mechanically. Just ask any mechanic: water pump, radiator, cat converter, sensors, the list goes on...
Their appearance is second to none but beauty with these machines is only skin deep: I loved looking at my BMW but I was afraid to drive it anywhere.
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You gotta do your homework
Having owned 4 beamers, you get to know their issues.
I currently own a 3 series E46 Touring 320i 2003.
Key issues
Know where to get cheap after market parts- google and Melb/Sydney
Buy a Haynes manual from book depository uk! $34 free postage
Take for service and do what you can!
Preventative maintenance: filters, belts, water pump, cooling system.
For example my regulator went, and bmw wanted $1200 to sort! Hahaha I got part from Sydney and done it for $130 and I am not a mechanic
Brakes soft and don't last, performance brakes onlin...Read more
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BMW 3 Series E90
I bought my wife a brand new 3 series Executive, paid $65k in 2005, within 10 months the auto blew up, great under warranty, what a Nightmare of a car. Every time we took this car to BMW the minimum cost was $1000. We still have the car, the engine light comes on often, we have replaced that many Valvetronic motors, we continue to get different lights all the time. 2 weeks ago I was offered $4000 as a trade in on a Merc, the dealer apologised to me for the insult, but as he said, the 3 series was the worst car BMW have ever sold. I would agree with him 100%.
NEVER buy a BMW, this piece of ......... cost us a fortune! Not Happy :(
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StickShiftNZAuckland, NZ
- 9 reviews
- 4 likes
Of all the used cars I've owned, the one I like the most
2001 model 316ti, 1.8L, 115bhp, manual. Bought it four years ago with 65K km, now 13 years old done 124K km. Before buying, I was worried about whether or not the engine was up to NZ's mountainous roads, since my previous cars all had more powerful engines. Worries dissipated - the manual gearbox's top 3 gears are perfectly spaced for overtaking. Unusually frugal car - all my other cars, mostly automatics, averaged 8-8.5 km/L consisting of a mix of urban and motorway driving, usually without aircon. This car averages 11.5 km/L - for a car that ...Read more
weighs nearly 1300 kg, it is more frugal than the '81 Mirage 1.2 I used to have years ago. And on any long drive outside Auckland, I can average up to 16 km/L, which is really in diesel territory. The seats are perfect - the back support is right and I can drive five hours straight without a backache, and that's with no lumbar support adjustment. The body is solid, the doors thunk reassuringly. Having owned and driven front-wheel drive cars all the time, a trip to a friend's wedding in Napier five hours away through hills, gorges, and winding mountain roads mostly at 100 km/h and driving back at night in heavy rain, I realised that I made the right decision buying this car. Yes, there is a difference between FWD and RWD cars, and although this car doesn't manifest it as incisively as a Mazda MX-5, a tug of the wheel makes it very clear that the chassis and related components including the steering are there to see me through. I don't have to second-guess what the car is going to do when I suddenly get to a blind corner at speed. Third to fifth gear ratios are spaced perfectly - though at some expense of the 2nd-to-3rd gear gap which could be better-spaced for city driving. Its handling is sure-footed and confident - despite having 195/65-15 tyres, and a rear suspension taken from the previous 3-series cars to save cost. Problems? Three instances the car was not driveable: 4 years ago, after owning the car at 9 years old, one of the coils went. Last March (2014) the original 2001 BMW battery finally packed up without warning. And three weeks ago, a second coil failed. All my cars have been proactively maintained for wear and tear parts, so rollers and a tensioner for the alternator belt have been done (I thought it was the water pump and got worried), two front suspension control arms, front and rear brakes done about two years apart, minor oil leak near a vacuum pump fixed with an inexpensive gasket. Strangely the thermostat, water pump and expansion tank haven't failed yet. The clutch has a shudder taking off in 1st gear at times, I thought it was just me not having driven a manual in 10 years, but it hasn't gotten any worse over the last 4 years at all. Will get it done one of these days, mechanic isn't too worried. The timing chain has a stretch though, a common problem for a car of this engine and vintage. Fortunately the chain is up front, will get that done and replace the two remaining original coils while at it. Parts prices? Fair. Maintenance cost of this car is similar to my 2001 Mitsubishi Galant I had before this. None of the parts replaced had prices that took me aback, the coils for example were NZ$86 each (vs. $300 for a Mitsubishi Cedia). And I always use an independent mechanic.
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12th October 2016 - car now 15 years old, just short of 160K km. Got both the radiator and expansion tank replaced two months ago at about 156K km. The expansion tank is a common problem with BMWs and... Read more
I've been waiting for this to happen since 5 years ago. Perhaps being a manual, no added heat stress from cooling auto trans fluid has helped it last longer. Also had the front brake pads and rotors changed a week after that. Previous front brakes were changed at 89K km. My love for this car has not diminished one bit. I'll get the clutch flywheel changed once I'm able (and it hasn't gotten any worse for the last 6 years either). Having owned it for 6 years and now 15 years old, certainly of all the cars I've owned, the one I love the most.5th October 2017 - car now 16 years old. Mileage is about 181K km. She just passed another Warrant of Fitness (WOF) again without any problems. The tyres are down to 3mm rears and 4mm fronts. Guy said... Read more
for next service, get the left parking brake adjusted as it's slightly weaker. Serviced about three months ago, nothing unusual; we'll change some suspension bushings next service. Still on the original water pump, thermostat and coolant hoses. Trans and diff oil levels and quality still fine. One of the oil seals must have a leak - smelled burnt oil when I braked strongly once. That's just a cheap seal that will get done next service. Took it in for a free AA battery check (original BMW battery was changed in 2013), was told the battery's still fine, but must take the car for longer runs to fully charge as I'm now working close to home. I'm scratching my head while grinning ear to ear - I did not expect the car to be THIS dependable, considering I bought it at 9 years old. My sole car, parked out in the elements during work hours on the street, now parked on a driveway at home as I've moved and no garage or carport. I know some people who've had mixed experiences on BMWs (so I would never dismiss anyone's opinion of the brand if they've had problems), and cannot figure out exactly why I've been very fortunate. Even the bulb integrity display is NOT showing the false brake light failure which is so common on BMWs. If something shows as blown, it is blown. Maybe because mine's a manual (without the sensors or computers needed by an automatic), maybe it's because it's NZ-new and not a used Japanese import. Whatever. I love this car, don't know what to replace it with when the time comes. I often start thinking of what to replace a car with after 1.5-2 years (bought used), with this car it's been 7 years now and I'm still perfectly content. If money wasn't an object, I'd just spend on new bushings, maybe shocks, the flywheel (shuddering since 65K, never got worse), water pump, thermostat, hoses, and all should still be fine.Similar opinion? Write a review on ieatwords.com.au!
RichieETTALONG BEACH
- 2 reviews
- 1 like
316i
Just picked up a 2013 316i very nice ex demo, I had a 320i which was traded in. The new car is a step up from my old car. Very good ride: comfort, good steering, very supportive seats, a well laid out dash and easy to read. Plenty of bells and whistles make this a good buy. Having looked at the competition I must admit I do like BMW.
Solid car great to drive
nothing yet
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Johnny RebWA, 6010
- 4 reviews
- 1 like
1996 BMW 323i
Bought it off an 87 year old guy who really did not look after it beyond servicing the motor. It was a one owner. Car was that dark BMW green colour with an ugly brown leather interior. 1996 model. Very fast car, 2.5 litre motor. Inside looks like the interior of a 747 plane but interior on this one was really quite stuffed. Sagging roof, torn leather seats, worn steering wheel and shifter. But to be fair, the old bloke probably never cleaned the inside of the car. But for a one-owner car I would have expected the interior to be in a lot better...Read more
condition than it was. I see people on Gumtree trying to sell these for $4000-5000. That's a total joke. You should not have to pay more than $1500 for one of these. They are nearly 20 years old now after all. Very fast car. Great handling, soft ride. Styling very bland and tacky, noisy engine (normal).Similar opinion? Write a review on ieatwords.com.au!
leah qldAU
Never would buy another BMW 2008 320i E90
Well I bought my BMW from Rockhampton at a 2nd hand dealer. I drove out of the dealership, 5 days later my car decided it doesn't want to start, only when it felt like it cause: there was a crack in the water bottle for the windscreen wipers so the bottle was dry... 2 week's after that I had smoky particles flying in through my air con vents and chocking me and my children cause: vacuum seal at the back of the engine... Lucky I had my whole 3 month used car warranty (sarcasm). 5 months later I keep blowing my central locking fuse and then the b...Read more
ig fault came, my car's dash lights go haywire then my car shuts down completely: engine, transmission everything... So as BMW is the closest dealer with a diagnostic machine (500+km away) I got my BMW towed to find out I have a failed dsc module and they want to charge me $5800 to fix!!! I would have to say this model of BMW is rubbish. Buy a 96 Commodore and you'll have better luck and reliability! If I had Googled common faults for this type of car I would never have looked at it. I am not happy with the fact of a luxury car under a good name can be built so horrible with so many faults. BMW should have recalled this model as my dad says BMW stands for Bring My Wallet. Never again in my life will I spend big money on BMW again! Fuel economy was good. Bad make of car too many faults, Google it!1 comment
BMW - in my last list to buy
I brought var brand new 328i at parramatta BMW, within 1 year I had to goes back 9 times to het issue fixes, to name a few, steering wheels making crank noise when turn... Read more
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Johnmelbourne
Best car I had ever owned
My mother bought this car brand new, a 1993 model, I purchased it from her when I turned 18 and it proved completely reliable for 21 years. All parts and repairs are completely affordable and realistic if you can do things yourself, but we never had a single problem at 320,000 ks, no engine issues, no transmission issues.
With cars like this, they must be maintained well, an oil change is the most important thing you can do for a car, and if you buy second hand, try buying from a reputable owner. These cars were designed great, care for it and it will care for you.
A little underpowered
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AndyM156Greater Melbourne (Inner), VIC
- 14 reviews
Never buy out of warranty
I purchased a 2006 320i with 100,000km and full service history. In 14 months ownership I had multiple problems and estimate I would have spent $8,000 on services and maintenance issues including multiple oil leaks. I understand and accept that a second hand car will have faults but I have driven cars with over twice that mileage before that were a lot more reliable - I think it says a lot about BMWs build quality - the BMW specialist mechanics I took it to said this model was notorious for oil leaks. The driving experience was nothing special either. Much happier now I have got rid of it and purchased a Lexus.
Unreliable
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I recently bought a 2008 BMW 320i Executive E90 from a friend who had it regularly serviced by BMW (somewhere near Brisbane). I continued and although I thought $1300 a bit expensive for a service (Pl... Read more
ugs and oil change) I believed I was doing the right thing. I should have paid attention when the 'Service agent mentioned there was a slight'oil leak. Thereafter the smell of oil in the cabin of the car made it undrivable. I took it to a friend who specialises in German cars and he told me the oil was leaking onto the manifold and was a real fire risk!! Further investigations revealed the oil used by BMW was of such poor quality (not synthetic) it had turned to a sludge causing the engine to work under such pressure that it was causing the oil leaks. The interior of the engine is covered in a yellow plaque which also indicates that it wasn't serviced properly. I've no idea where this is going or cost. I love the car but BMW ruined the engine. Please don't laugh but do I have any recourse legal or otherwise?Similar opinion? Write a review on ieatwords.com.au!
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robinitdee why
- 8 reviews
- 8 likes
The love of my life sent me broke!
My deceased father purchased a brand new 325Ci auto coupe in 2002. In 2010, a year after my father passed away, my mother didn't want to keep it. I decided to swap my Ford Fiesta which I purchased new in 2009 with the bimmer. As it had been in the family, I knew the car's history. No accidents, serviced by BMW, always garaged and regularly washed. Basically showroom condition. Car had done 125000km. The first 2 years no problems at all. I was loving the luxury, the style, the power, the handling, the steering! Yes I was hooked! Then the cracks...Read more
began to appear! Things were starting to wear out or break! One rear parking sensor - $500. Drive belt snapped (replaced with air con belt) - $800. Air con resistor packed it in - $600. Servicing costs between 1200-1500 dollars each time. Suspension bushes - $600. Father had replaced them 4 years earlier too. Rubber door seal on passenger side came apart. Quoted a $1000 to replace. Father replaced drivers side previously. Recently went for wheel alignment thinking the car needed it. Turns out one of the struts have bent thus the shocks need replacement. Quoted between $1700-2000. Recent service $1500. They also told me the diff is cracked. Leaking some oil, may require replacement. 4 new tyres needed soon. If they are the same "continentals" looking at about 3k to replace the four. Rear brakes due - $700. Reversing passenger side mirror packed it in last week. The love affair had to end along with my credit! Traded it in on a brand new Hyundai! Oh the shame! Moral of the story... if you can't afford to buy a new or near new BMW and maintain it... Forget it! Styling, handling, steering, luxury leather and wood trimmed interior. The power and the fact it made me feel good! Too expensive to maintain. If anythings breaks or wears out you are up for a fortune.Similar opinion? Write a review on ieatwords.com.au!
CraigBMelbourne
- 2 reviews
- 5 likes
320i 2007 - don't bother
I've had a 320i Executive sedan with innovations pack since new and have had nothing but trouble. Had to replace the thermo fan at 26,000km's and now the auto transmission has failed at 57,000km's and $10k to replace! BMW Australia want nothing to do with it - clearly a known fault with the car. A luxury sedan having this many major failures = no more BMW's for me!
Too many faults and expenses just out of warranty
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I had exact same issue - failing at 110k. very expensive replacement. about 12k.
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OldnotdeadBuderim
The perfect upmarket executive vehicle
I don't about you but when I buy a new car, I want it to work in every way but also to have style and to make me feel good and everyone I get in it, and the 320d does that for me. Plenty of power with frugality thrown in, size is ideal for 2-4 people and the fact that nothing goes wrong is a real bonus for me.
Not hassles, frugal on fuel, stylish.
Initial costs maybe?
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heheheheheh thats a joke ha ??? i own a 2008 Bmw 320 i done 127,000 k's I look after my cars very well, its interior and engine comp are still like new interior leather still smells new so well kept. ... Read more
serviced and engine oil changes every 10,000 k's at 60,000k's i did my diff Bmw did not want to know about it, a month after my warranty expired then just sfter my Air con gave up, followed by now Vanos solonoids costs $ 900 .00 and I am told by BMW Brighton a PVC unit has to be replaced at a cost of $ 2500 . Prior to this BMW Brighton replaced a Valvetronic gadget that cost me $ 950.00 These are great cars to drive but the most unreliable heaps of rubbish. Oh yea it gives you great pride to get out of one feels good but a heap of rubbish. Dont buy a BMW they are badly made for the money one pays .Similar opinion? Write a review on ieatwords.com.au!
Stussis DadAlice Springs
- 5 reviews
- 6 likes
Perfect product
I bought the 320i executive new in 2008. It's just gone 4 years old and 70K and has not missed a beat, everything works as intended and still on the original battery. Great handling and nice and easy to maneuver and park around town and holds the road beautifully at high speed.
The only downside is there is no wheel well in the boot should (and I would!) you wish to change from runflat tyres to standard type tyres. The runflats are a piece of mind safety feature but wear out way to quickly (on my third set). I've had a few nice cars including Mercs, VW, BMW's, Audi but my next purchase will be another Beamer.
Equipment level, build quality, handling, fuel consumption.
I would prefer not to have runflat tyres.
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I recently bought a 2008 BMW 320i Executive E90 from a friend who had it regularly serviced by BMW (somewhere near Brisbane). I continued and although I thought $1300 a bit expensive for a service (P... Read more
lugs and oil change) I believed I was doing the right thing. I should have paid attention when the 'Service agent mentioned there was a slight'oil leak. Thereafter the smell of oil in the cabin of the car made it undrivable. I took it to a friend who specialises in German cars and he told me the oil was leaking onto the manifold and was a real fire risk!! Further investigations revealed the oil used by BMW was of such poor quality (not synthetic) it had turned to a sludge causing the engine to work under such pressure that it was causing the oil leaks. The interior of the engine is covered in a yellow plaque which also indicates that it wasn't serviced properly. I've no idea where this is going or cost. I love the car but BMW ruined the engine. Please don't laugh but do I have any recourse legal or otherwise?Similar opinion? Write a review on ieatwords.com.au!
ReasonableManAU
- 3 reviews
- 3 likes
Nice drive but BMW in denial about some known faults with 3 series
I purchased an ex-demo 2007 325i sedan from a BMW dealer. One hot summer the Air Conditioner blower fan just turned on by itself and ran on full power until it completely drained my car's battery. I returned the vehicle to another dealer for the replacement of the FSU/Air Conditioning Blower Resistor Control Unit whilst the vehicle was still within the BMW warranty period. They replaced it because it was found to be faulty. After a further few months the exact same unit failed. This time out of warranty. BMW refused to replace it even though it...Read more
had previously failed. I found out from various BMW forums around the world it is known to be a common manufacturing fault. BMW conveniently denied they knew about this. The part costs $350 from BMW but a genuine part can be purchased from the web for $190, including delivery. This part takes just 5 minutes to replace. Big money making rort from BMW Australia, especially if you have to keep replacing the same faulty part every year. It's time to sell my BMW and look at buying other makes. Overall quality, styling, prestige, smooth drive, more power than a 320i (taxi pack which most owners try to disguise as a 325i or 335i) Poor warranty service response from BMW in denial about known faulty componentSimilar opinion? Write a review on ieatwords.com.au!
RadSouthwest, VIC
- 33 reviews
Very good
2001, 330i, bought in NZ. Sold before moving to Australia. Stunning car to drive. A nice example and fairly well looked after. Solid feel, brilliant handling, seamless power to blow off standard Commodore & Falcon V8's. Had a couple of repairs under warranty that when I compare with the cost of the old Honda I have now, makes the back up service and cost of running these far better than most people realise. Euro cars have a bad rap because people buy older ones that people have not looked after and passed on before they have to pay repair bills...Read more
. Four days for a light control module to come from Germany and fitted to a small NZ town!! Typical German service. Japs couldn't do that... Solid feel, awesome handling, smooth, powerful, brilliant parts service from factory. Light control module went under warranty, poor rear seat room for big people, back seat not comfortable on long trips.Similar opinion? Write a review on ieatwords.com.au!
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moussa_tAU
- 4 reviews
Bad
Bought a 1993 model 318i BMW earlier this year (2010). It seemed ok when I test-drove it. But I regret buying it after having to fix a few parts on in (from normal wear and tear). Parts cost 4 or 5 times (or more) than other cars types. All the electric gadgets are starting to fail and the airconditioner doesn't work any more. In its hey-day it would have been a nice car to drive for sure. But I think these are a bit too old now. Also if you're after fuel economy and a car that's economical to run in general... avoid buying this car.
Sturdy car. Handles well on turns/unsteady conditions. Electric options. Sunroof.
Parts are way too expensive. More likely to have maintenance problems with these older models. Too sluggish. Bad fuel economy.
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93 model has older engine which is not as good as the updated engine in 95 model.
Yeh I had a 325i and it was just a money pit. totally avoid them
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infinityAU
- 19 reviews
Low fuel consumption, good peformance for a 1500 kg vehicle
I like the diesel 320d version a lot as uses less fuel (around 7L/100km) mixed driving, and servicing intervals are 25.000 kms or 1 year. Basically all you need is change the motor oil and brake fluid every 2 years, and top up other fluids if necessary. Filters are replaced every 100.000 kms.
With proper TLC these cars should last a lifetime.
You pay for the badge too BUT if you're unlucky you may end up with frequent trips to dealerships.
For those considering purchasing a preowned BMW, be careful as you never know what's wrong with your ...Read more
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NotAHappyCustomerAU
- 10 reviews
Best car I've ever owned
I've owned a Mazda, four Audis and an HSV, and this 3 series is my favorite car of all. I was lucky enough to get a German-built version when the 2009 model first came out. No problems at all with build quality, not a single thing has gone wrong in 2 years.
I don't find the run flats to be too hard, but I came from an HSV with 19" rims, so anything was going to be softer.
320d engine has ample power and great delivery. Economy isn't flash - around town 7.5l/100km and low 6s on freeway trips, versus official combined figure of 5.4L. That's the only downside (other than purchase cost, of course).
Reliable, smooth, great build quality, good styling (with sport pack)
18" rims make for expensive tyres
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jinpattQLD, 4214
- 88 reviews
- 17 likes
Good
My boyfriend bought this car when it has done 60,000 kilometers. It was a 4 door 1998 sedan. We really loved the car and wouldn't want to sell it if it wasn't too expensive to maintain. It was a wonderful car to drive around. However, when we had to fix anything it was so dear so we went back to purchase a Toyota.
Great German luxury. Great to drive. Excellent handling. Very easy and fun to drive.
Expensive to maintain which was the main reason we sold the car. The parts are very dear. Not very good value for money.
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wisebuyerAU
- 5 reviews
Good
My 323i M Sport is now 18 months old. Had minimal issues with it, all fixed at BMW Melbourne with no fuss at all. Have just replaced tyres with non run flats, and it makes a world of difference to noise, ride and handling. Just needed to buy the "Mobility" pump/puncture repair kit from dealer.
Great car, a pleasure to drive.
Run flat tyres, limited rear legroom
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Questions & Answers
alexander h.asked
Are the side mirrors powered on a 318i 2004 BMW and lf so how do you engage to make them work
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Muhmmd Z.asked
Hi,
I’ve bmw 320i e90 2007, the engine oil level light (yellow) went off that engine oil level is below minimum. I topped up with 1L then I checked oil level and the indicator showed that oil level is OK. One week later, engine oil light went off again, i checked oil level and indicator showed that +1L of engine oil is needed to be topped up, I did add 1L. Two weeks later, engine oil light went off again, I checked the level, it was below minimum, then I checked the oil level again just 2hours later and oil level was OK (above minimum) !!!! [There’s no any oil leak at all]. Can I please know what’s going on with engine oil in my car???!!!
Thanks!
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Ronald D.asked
Hi, I live on the far south coast of NSW and have had since new a 2016 BMW 328i M Sport Gran Turismo which currently has travelled 25,500 kms. While the car drives very well, what drives me crazy is the very harsh ride and the creaking/squeaking noises in the cabin when driving on sealed suburban and regional roads that do not have a smooth surface. Roads with imperfections are a shocker. When friends travel with me they say "What are all those creaks/squeaks?" Yes, very embarrassing indeed. I'd like to know the cause of this noise but suspect it may have something to do with the big and heavy M Sport 19" light alloy wheels with very low profile run-flat tyres - 225/45/R19 (front) and 255/40/R19 (rear) - and tight suspension. Driving in Eco or Normal mode makes no difference whatsoever. I would be most grateful for any advice, please. Regards, Ronald Dove
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I think you need to check it out with a mechanic. Could be anything from suspensions to interior.
Thank you RW1891. That covers quite a wide field. The car still has 6 months left on the factory warranty and is due for its next service with the dealer in May. I previously sent an email to the dealer's service manager describing all the issues but so far have not received a response.
If you hear it from the wheel well then it's most likely your control arms but a car with such low km should not have that problem. If you can't hear it on the outside then I would not worry. But it wouldn't hurt to get someone to look at it but that'll cost you $$ especially if you don't have a warranty. If it's something major, sell the car before it becomes more noticable. These newer BMW cars are literally money pits as they age. The older ones 2004 and before are bulletproof. Based on my experience driving all kinds of bmws/German cars. Too many sensors in these cars. A s class has 120 modules so imagine the pain it is to fix these. I've charged people thousands for these type of repairs. Computers take more time to fix especially if you need a 25,000 dollar scanner just to find out the problem but that doesn't always work
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StickShiftNZ
Ten months since my last review, the car's now 14 years old, just done 138K (got it at 65K nearly 5 years ago) and had a service last week. As per my last review, the timing chain and tensioner were u... Read more
pgraded in October 2014, the two remaining original coils were replaced as a precaution, oh - and I also had the heater fan resistor (called a "hedgehog" in BMW forums) was replaced while they were at it. Hedgehog bought via eBay UK for NZ$55. While not particularly cheap, the total bill was very similar to replacing my old Mitsi Galant V6's timing belt and tensioner with the original parts (not OEM). The month after, replaced all four tyres with Yokohama BlueEarths...after finding the build date of the Bridgestones was 05/01 - the original tyre from the factory. Still had 3mm tread by 127K km. For last week's service, added work was the bi-annual brake fluid flush, and a leaking seal for the oil filter housing, plus the parking brake rotors were cleaned. And the water pump, thermostat and expansion tank were still OK. One day I'll get to that clutch. Five years and about 73K km later, I feel exactly the same about the car. I'm not bored with or tired of it, and I'm not just putting up with it. Every single day (my only car), come sun, rain, frost, I get into the car and enjoy driving it, to work, the supermarket, heavy traffic, open winding roads, doesn't matter. The problem with cars is even if you test drive them, you only really get to find out their flaws sometime after you own them - poor long-distance seat support, handling in an emergency, ill-selected gear ratios, automatic climate controls that seem possessed, road noise intrusion on coarse-chip pavements, etc. This car has been thought out, even for a base-level car, and it doesn't feel like I'm driving a dishwasher. I'm afraid to get rid of this car, the next one may not be anywhere near as dependable and may have more compromises.